Should heel hooks be legal in jujitsu comps?

i hear in alot of jujitsu comps heel hooks arent allowed because of the amount of time it take to do damage with them(which is short)


i was wondering what your opinion is of this

Should heel hooks be legal in jujitsu comps?
To my knowledge all the Jujitsu comps I have been in, Heelhooks are allowed but not an Novice level. You have to be interemediate or advanced.





Mind you if this is a new change I am unaware of it, but normally below blue belt heelhooks aren%26#039;t allowed but above it they are.





At least to the best of my knowledge.





I agree very much with that sort of ruleset, heelhooks are probably one of the most damaging submissions there are.





Mainly because you don%26#039;t really feel the pressure like you do with armbars and other joint locks.





So obviously not only do you want a more experienced person applying them, (as to not do damage by putting it on harder than necessary) but also an experienced person on the receiving end to realize that they are caught and tap. Many inexperienced persons wouldn%26#039;t know that they are caught in the heel hook until things started popping.





It%26#039;s one of the reasons we don%26#039;t want our inexperienced guys trying heel hooks out on each other and we generally discourage teaching them it until they are a little bit more advanced.





Just my two cents...








Shooters: I disagree with you, properly applied heel hooks have very little pain involved until injury. There is a slight pressure, you don%26#039;t get a lot of pain involved, normally in a heelhook once it starts hurting is when something is already being damaged. A heel hook is very different than a straight knee bar, or any kind of elbow, shoulder, ankle, or wrist lock.





Because of the twisting motion against the knee, you only get pressure instead of pain as the knee is meant some form of rotation (nerve endings aren%26#039;t pinched as they are in hyperextensions that you see with most other joint locks) A heel hooks is one of the very few joint locks that does not rely on hyperextension, it damages the ligaments before the joint is affected. Hence the pressure you feels is the ligaments being stretched, pain comes upon ligament injury, and it happens before any damage to the joint itself.





It is very different than other joint locks, many people get injured from heel hooks not from stubbornness, but from simply not knowing any better, and tapping once they feel the pain. At that point it is too late and ligament damage has already occurred.
Reply:Injurys are usually due to idiots who refuse to submit and try to tough it out so the person applying the heel hook torques it even more .You will notice the pros know when they are beaten and can%26#039;t escape and dont let it go that far.


Properly applied the pain is instant and excruciating and immobilizing .All clues that your best move is to tap out.
Reply:No. They are a part of the submission moves like any other. If you get caught in a heel hook, you made a big mistake by leaving yourself open. If are a true expert, spin and yank your way out.





The same can be said about the potential damage of a kimora...
Reply:they are only illegal in novice and beginner divisions. I think thats the way it should be. The guys that are green to the sport should really be limited on how hurt they can get. If new guys were getting hurt they would be more likely to quit early instead of going further and enjoying the sport more.





I popped a guys ankle at a NAGA before and felt extremely bad about it but it comes with the territory. Ive you are in the intermediate or advanced levels you should know what you are getting yourself into by that point. I don%26#039;t like hurting people nor do i like getting hurt but i understand it can happen.
Reply:They should only be allowed in %26quot;full%26quot; contact events. By that, I mean that everyone in the ring knows that there is a very real possibility of becomming seriously injured or even killed in the match.
Reply:The reason they are not allowed is because you can quickly injure (and maybe cripple if you are not careful) your opponent.



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